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Can you think of any examples of "art country"?, or has it managed to develop exclusively in the popular entertainment world (not trying to be a snob here, just curious if you think this is the case)

Do The Goat Rodeo Sessions count?
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I have that record and have listened to it a few times.

I suppose so, but is it "country"?, or more folk/bluegrass. It won a Grammy for best folk album, I think.

Always been a fan of Edgar Meyer since I got to open once for a quartet of Edgar Meyer, Jerry Douglas, Sam Bush and Russ Berenberg many years ago...

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I think Jazz is like a really hot chili pepper, some like it a lot, but it is too intense for most.

Or we could compare it to calculus, great if you are an advanced mathematician, incomprehensible to most.

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Good album, my wife loves that stuff.... Chris Thiele is a monster.

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Oh. Goat Rodeo sessions is sweet, thanks for that!

Of course, if you like to game, the Goat simulator can't beat...!!!

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Lee Vatip wrote:
Here's another experience.
I am the producer of our local Long Beach Jazz Festival. We are about to present our twelfth consecutive successful four day event.
In promo material I never ask the populace to "come support the arts". Alternatively I say "come have a great time "
They do.
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Nice way to do it Steve. I think jazz is a style of music where you need to have high skills...like classical music but in a different form of thinking about rythm mainly. Harmony is sometimes close in both styles. I just try to imagine what Bach could do today with all the musical tools we have in hands. Maybe he wouldn't play classical but jazz music. Who knows? Some american musicians like to play both styles...a perfect example is Wynton Marsalis. And I guess he's a great teacher 'cause one day, when I was in DR playing with a band, one of his student came in and started to play trumpet....woah...everyone was on their feet. This guy had a pure talent...

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I suppose so, but is it "country"?, or more folk/bluegrass.

I suppose that's one of the prevailing themes here. How do you define country? How is it so different from folk? How do you define jazz? Kenny G and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy are jazz to some people. Does it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing? Or does it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that cerebral complexity? We clump several centuries together as "classical" music. Baroque and Romantic are all the same to most listeners. What's 200 years difference matter? Perhaps finding the answer isn't the correct solution to a question, but the question itself isn't the correct one to ask. Duke Ellington would say, "There are only two types of music: good and bad."

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I only made it this far into the article until I wanted to puke:

"To be able to enjoy instrumental music, you must be able to appreciate abstract art, and that requires a certain amount of effort. Just mindlessly drinking wine, for instance, would not make you a wine connoisseur. Mindlessly looking at colors (which we all do every day) would not make you a color expert either. Great art demands much more from the audience than the popular art does."

The above quote from the linked article is total bullshit. I can enjoy wine, without effort - I drink and I like...Effortless appreciation. I love Ornette Coleman's music - I listen and a big smile comes across my face. I don't have a PhD in "Ornette Coleman" and yet I experience effortless enjoyment.

It is utter nonsense to think that I have to fulfill some "abstract art appreciation criteria" which requires a "certain amount of effort" to enjoy Ornette Coleman.

The realreason why Americans don't like Jazz is because too many people read blog articles written by pseudo-expert dipshits who claim to know the difference between "good" and "bad" when, in reality, they hardly know the difference between "like" and "dislike".

Read this again:

"To be able to enjoy instrumental music, you must be able to appreciate abstract art, and that requires a certain amount of effort."

Fuck that shit...

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Well ... he didn't say you couldn't drink wine without effort and like what you drink. He said it didn't make you a connoisseur which is true. I also think you took the "effort" part too literally. Going back to the wine analogy. I have a buddy who is a sommelier. He is employed by a Detroit area high end restaurant and maintains their wine list. There's no effort involved for him to sit down and enjoy a glass of wine. But maybe instead of saying it takes effort, it might have been better to say he's put the time in to where his perception of what goes in his mouth is very different than mine is. A perception colored by the time he put in to his craft.

You mentioned cracking a smile when you hear Ornette Coleman. Great stuff for sure. But certainly the way you hear music has been colored by the time put in as a musician and as a listener.

There are plenty of tunes I really like that I would never claim came from any great monument to music making. Along the same lines, there are plenty of music makers who I have a healthy respect for who have never made a record that I particularly liked to listen to.

With all that said ...

"To be able to enjoy instrumental music, you must be able to appreciate abstract art, and that requires a certain amount of effort."

To say that about all instrumental music is, of course, complete hokum.

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Too many "wrong" notes.

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