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Author:  earthgene [ Sun May 17, 2015 1:20 pm ]
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A great bit on the difference between knowledge and understanding. It's 7 minutes long but well worth it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0[/youtube]
Author:  giedosst [ Sun May 17, 2015 2:10 pm ]
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I feel this movie is not only a great example of how I approached learning the Stick but for how I learn in general with my dyslexia. What this guy is talking about is learning something one way and sticking with it and getting trapped by it because you never challenge your methods. I myself can not learn things in normal conventional ways so I toss it out and learn something 4 or 5 different ways until I find the method that works best. For me my learning life has been try the conventional way, it fails, throw it out, think outside the box, try 5 other ways and use the one that works best with my brain. The more you do this the faster it gets.
Author:  Robstafarian [ Sun May 17, 2015 2:57 pm ]
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giedosst wrote:
I feel this movie is not only a great example of how I approached learning the Stick but for how I learn in general with my dyslexia. What this guy is talking about is learning something one way and sticking with it and getting trapped by it because you never challenge your methods. I myself can not learn things in normal conventional ways so I toss it out and learn something 4 or 5 different ways until I find the method that works best. For me my learning life has been try the conventional way, it fails, throw it out, think outside the box, try 5 other ways and use the one that works best with my brain. The more you do this the faster it gets.

Say Gene, do you remember when I said we needed to schedule an FHF session with Steve? :lol:
Author:  earthgene [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:00 pm ]
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Do it man!
Author:  rwkeating [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:49 pm ]
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I found the video Gene posted fascinating. I re-posted it on Facebook. I am very much into how we learn and un-learn and this was very interesting to see. Now if we could only find a way to learn (re-learn) as fast as very young people.
Author:  not yet stick [ Sun May 17, 2015 5:20 pm ]
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WOW!!!! LOVED IT!!!!!! THANKS GENE!!!!!!!
Author:  Alain [ Sun May 17, 2015 6:24 pm ]
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Really interesting...thanks Gene.
Author:  greg [ Sun May 17, 2015 6:42 pm ]
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Very cool, Gene,

I which he had asked someone who had never learned to ride a bike to try it out, There is a certain obvious relationship between pulling the bars one direction and having the bike turn that way, though like with the way a stick behaves on a plane sometimes things are just counter intuitive.

I had a similar problem when trying to incorporate a mirrored 4ths Stick into my toolbox. It was possible for me to delve into one or the other, but switching back and forth between them was extremely difficult, so I had to give up on mirrored 4ths.

Thanks for posting.
Author:  BSharp [ Sun May 17, 2015 7:36 pm ]
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Is it bias conquered by understanding, or might it be motor memory corrected by a substitute physical routine? Planes, Sticks, Greg is on to something. I play-test every Stick that I set up, repairs, custom tuned new ones and all. Playing a left handed Stick is a very humbling experience (must... get... logical). Also, I could never walk onto a stationary escalator without losing my balance. That's when I knew I was a subject of conditioning, like everybody else.

To the bicyclist trying out the reversed geared handlebars I'd say, just imagine that you have to push the left handle (when leaning to the left) to exert the left turning force. This is not understanding, rather, it's a power of imagination.

With much preconceived confidence, I'd probably fall on my face right away. Still, I'd keep trying my theory to test a much larger learning / unlearning concept. (good for video games). After all, I'm the guy who plays tennis with two forehands, plus two-handed backhands close in on either side - the grip never changes.

Here's one for MIDI string tappers. Milliseconds be damned - just play into your fingertip by about a quarter inch or so. It's a reflex. You'll do it anyway.

I'm one of those who love methods and routines in work and play. I think it runs in my family, on the Italian side.
Author:  greg [ Mon May 18, 2015 3:36 am ]
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BSharp wrote:
Is it bias conquered by understanding, or might it be motor memory corrected by a substitute physical routine? Planes, Sticks, Greg is on to something. I play-test every Stick that I set up, repairs, custom tuned new ones and all. Playing a left handed Stick is a very humbling experience (must... get... logical). Also, I could never walk onto a stationary escalator without losing my balance. That's when I knew I was a subject of conditioning, like everybody else.
Emmett,

I've tried to play a few lefty Sticks, and the orientation always completely throws me. I used to have a patch on one of my synths that reversed the order of notes on the keyboard. Fun for improvising but very challenging to play learned music on.

Intellectually, I can argue that there's no reason vis-a-vis the Stick that a left-handed person should use anything but the normal tuning, but I can totally get why people who are used to playing lefty bass or guitar would want that neck on their right shoulder instead of the left.
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