It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:44 am




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
 Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014. 
Author Message
Elite Contributor
Elite Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:05 am
Posts: 2268
Location: Stockholm/Sweden
Post Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
October 2014. A very, very slow cover of a Satie piece, mashed together with one of my own. Back then this Wenge SG-12 was brand new and had not yet developed its best tone. Last summer I played it outdoors for five months, here in Stockholm, four to six hours every day and today it sounds a lot better than in this old video. Wood is an amazing material! My Bamboo has a totally different temperament; a different tone again, although the pickups and tuning are identical.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgsBlEvxww[/youtube]

_________________
Cheers / Per
Bamboo SG12, Wenge SG12, Bamboo Grand. PASV4 on all.
(+ Stickup modded by Emmett 4 the PASV4 blocks).
Fractal Audio AxeFx-III, 2 x RCF NX-10 SMA, Apollo Twin USB

http://youtube.com/perboysen


Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:59 am
Profile My Photo Gallery
Elite Contributor
Elite Contributor

Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:42 pm
Posts: 2530
Location: Jersey
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
NEAT !

_________________
Peace, Marty
"The present day composer refuses to die" -Edgard Varese


Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:39 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Multiple Donor
Multiple Donor
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:40 am
Posts: 2884
Location: Detroit, MI
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Excellent stuff, Per, thanks for sharing! I enjoyed this composition and the tone and look of that Wenge SG-12.

I've heard you talk before about the timbre and tone of your Sticks changing over time and after playing them. They said the old molecules start to align themselves like a magnet after a while, with the vibrations of playing them. Sticks strings aren't under the tension of a lot of other Stringed instruments, although they certainly resonate and the different materials definitely have a different sound and tone, even with the same pickups, so what is it about the Sticks physically that changes over time? Is there a "curing" process that happens to the (usually) wood? Do the polycarb and/or graphite Sticks also do that? I would think that the Railboards are fairly inert and probably immune to whatever changes over time with the wooden Sticks.

I'm more than a little curious as to the science behind why the Sticks change over time.

They used to say that the Stradivarius instruments had such a great tone because of their age and that they've been played by masters. But independent, double blind listening tests with world professionals playing and listening, actually picked the more modern instruments (violin if I recall) as sounding better than the Strads. Ah, here it is:
http://www.thestrad.com/cpt-latests/bli ... struments/
Quote:
A modern instrument was the clear winner and a Stradivarius the loser in a double-blind test of old Italian and new violins, conducted at the Auditorium Coeur de Ville in Vincennes, Paris. In a follow-up to the controversial experiment conducted in Indianapolis in 2010, ten professional soloists compared the tonal qualities of twelve instruments – six by 18th-century Italian luthiers and six by contemporary makers. The results, published on 7 April in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, confirmed those of the 2010 study, which showed a general preference for new violins and that players were unable to reliably distinguish new violins from old.

My Rosewood is 5 years old, but was barely played for the first 5 years until sold to me. I've noticed a change in the sound in the 9 months I've had it, but for me as a newb, a lot of that is probably improvement in technique. You as a master certainly can tell the difference in the sound over time, and have recordings to prove it. Just curious as to what's changing in the wood--I find that very fascinating!

Again, good sound, performance, and composition, Per! Thanks!

_________________
Steve Sink, Laser Fractals
Rosewood 10-string, #5989, M4s
Sapphire Railboard, #6763, MR
Wenge-on-Wenge NS/Stick, #170130, Bass 4ths
http://soundcloud.com/stephen-sink-1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-RDlN ... Ez0hN49_Qg


Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:56 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Elite Contributor
Elite Contributor

Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:54 pm
Posts: 1633
Location: Hobart, Tasmania, AU
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Hi Per.

This is the first music of the day, just beautiful mang. Sonority, sensuality, imagination and structural harmonic design.

Love it! Tremendously soulful.

_________________
Stickrad

https://www.facebook.com/stickradmusic/
https://www.facebook.com/southernstickevents/


Last edited by Stickrad on Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:09 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Elite Contributor
Elite Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:05 am
Posts: 2268
Location: Stockholm/Sweden
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Interesting thoughts, Stephen! I've read luthier's discussions online about the texture of wood becoming aligned by frequent vibration. And that kind of alignment happens to favour a musical response. If that's true it doesn't necessarily take a master musician to "brake in" an instrument, just enough of Good Vibrations over time!!!

There are two aspects of wood's interference with the string's vibration. One is that the wood swallows more of certain frequencies than of others; more so in an instrument that uses a resonating body to project sound (like in "wolf notes" of a violin or cello). Since the Stick is all electrical, with a minimal of resonance body, I guess this aspect is minor. The other aspect is the sympathetic resonance between strings and I'd guess that is more evident in a Stick (even the Railboards).

Also interesting that you mentioned string tension. Actually the SG-12 has a higher string tension than the longer scale Stick. That's what I like, so I have taken to tune my 36" Grand one half-note higher than recommended for the string guage in use. By doing that my Grand comes a little bit closer to my SG-12 in... well, I don't know what to call it - maybe "musical behaviour"? Hinting at the envelope, the bloom, how the balance between fundamentals and overtones changes over time in notes and chords.

_________________
Cheers / Per
Bamboo SG12, Wenge SG12, Bamboo Grand. PASV4 on all.
(+ Stickup modded by Emmett 4 the PASV4 blocks).
Fractal Audio AxeFx-III, 2 x RCF NX-10 SMA, Apollo Twin USB

http://youtube.com/perboysen


Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:22 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Multiple Donor
Multiple Donor
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:40 am
Posts: 2884
Location: Detroit, MI
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Oh, excellent, excellent, Per. I really dig these discussions about the physicality and the physics behind wood and steel against fingers to produce such varied and wonderful timbres! And the secret behind your wonderful sound (other than the years of dedication and practice)--you're tuning higher to get more string tension! (And I didn't know that about the SG had more tension versus the longer Stick but that would make sense.) Thanks, Per!

_________________
Steve Sink, Laser Fractals
Rosewood 10-string, #5989, M4s
Sapphire Railboard, #6763, MR
Wenge-on-Wenge NS/Stick, #170130, Bass 4ths
http://soundcloud.com/stephen-sink-1
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-RDlN ... Ez0hN49_Qg


Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:47 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Artisan Contributor
Artisan Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:27 pm
Posts: 552
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
There was a company called Timber Tech that put together a "shaker" that would shake an instrument at multiple audio frequencies. The idea was to simulate years of playing in order to shorten the time it took to get to that point.

They did an experiment where they measured the resonant frequencies of an instrument, put it through their process and then re-measured the resonant frequencies. What they found was that the shaking did change the resonant frequencies. They were very honest about their findings and said that although the resonant frequencies changed, they could not say if the sound of the instrument changed for the better or not. I have great respect for such an honest statement.

They went out of business and the web pages are long gone. The best I could find was this
http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topi ... ur-guitar/

So it seams like changes in the way an instrument responds to frequencies do occur. Many question remain however.

_________________
Russell Keating
http://www.youtube.com/user/rqkeating


Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:49 pm
Profile
Elite Contributor
Elite Contributor

Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:42 pm
Posts: 2530
Location: Jersey
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Gee Whiz, I just think it sounded nice.

_________________
Peace, Marty
"The present day composer refuses to die" -Edgard Varese


Mon May 02, 2016 7:11 pm
Profile My Photo Gallery
Site Donor
Site Donor
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:38 pm
Posts: 818
Location: SW Washington (state)
Post Re: Video clip from a gig in Portland 2014.
Nice, Per. Enjoyed that almost as much as the first time I heard it (which was from inside the venue about 20 feet from the stage).

:D

_________________
Victor Bruhn
SW Washington state
Bamboo Grand #7363 MR ACTV2, Tarara Grand #5677 MR PASV4
Tap In Time Podcast: tapintime.podbean.com/


Mon May 02, 2016 8:49 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alain and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

board3 Portal - based on phpBB3 Portal Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. Designed by Vjacheslav Trushkin for Free Forums/DivisionCore.
Heavily modified by Stickist.com. Stickist.com is an authorized Chapman Stick® site. The Chapman Stick® and NS/Stick™ and their marks are federally registered trademarks exclusively licensed to Stick Enterprises, Inc., and are used on Stickist.com and NSstickist.com with SEI's permission.
Click here for more information.