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 Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant 
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Post Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
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Mode 5 of Harmonic minor, I was always taught that it's more of a "Mixolydian" mode than it is a "Phrygian" one, but I get the naming convention... Mike Stern and Frank Gambale call it one thing while Satriani calls it another... Mixolydian b9 b13, or Phrygian dominant, what's your preference? And have you ever used it? I know I have... (a lot)

Mode 5 of Melodic minor (That is, Jazz minor, or "real" Melodic minor where the scale ascends and descends the same 12b34567) is sometimes called a "Hindu" scale, but really, it's a Mixolydian b6. In my mind it makes a lot more sense to use that naming convention as it is played over a dom7, (Mixolydian = Dominant 7) but hey, all good... I'm quite familiar with that one and I have used it a bunch also...

So I'm curious as to what your preferences are in regards to naming conventions...

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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Post a video demonstrating, please! excellent topic. I bet Steve A has something to say about this as well!


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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
I don't know about Steve A but the mode you're implying is actually called Freygish.
A harmonic minor with the 5th tone as root
E F G# A B C D
Lots of ethnic music
Spanish Malaguena style progressions , like two chromatic major chords are ideal
ll: E l F :ll
These two chords are outlined within the scale
E G# B and F A C
Because it sounds Spanish it's mistaken for Phrygian
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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Jayesskerr wrote:
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Mode 5 of Harmonic minor, I was always taught that it's more of a "Mixolydian" mode than it is a "Phrygian" one, but I get the naming convention... Mike Stern and Frank Gambale call it one thing while Satriani calls it another... Mixolydian b9 b13, or Phrygian dominant, what's your preference? And have you ever used it? I know I have... (a lot)

Mode 5 of Melodic minor (That is, Jazz minor, or "real" Melodic minor where the scale ascends and descends the same 12b34567) is sometimes called a "Hindu" scale, but really, it's a Mixolydian b6. In my mind it makes a lot more sense to use that naming convention as it is played over a dom7, (Mixolydian = Dominant 7) but hey, all good... I'm quite familiar with that one and I have used it a bunch also...

So I'm curious as to what your preferences are in regards to naming conventions...


I would call the first one the "5th degree of harmonic minor". This scale is what you use when playing over minor ii-V-i progressions, for the ii and V. One easy way to learn it is by altering the Phrygian mode (raise the minor 3rd up to a major 3rd).

If you know your three-finger scales (and you should ;)) then this is super easy, as the fingering does not change only the placement....

You can find the fingerings for the three three-fingered Phrygian scales on pages 6-5, 6-6 and 6-7 of the Stick Book...

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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Ahhh Phrygian Major mode.... very cool scale b2 b6 b7 makes it great on sus4 b9 b#5 chord

A good alternative to a don7slt chord

Mixolydian b6 another goodie

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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
I love these threads. If you are into cool modes and such check out tessetura pro. It's an app that will blow your minds if you are looking for stuff like this. Enegmatic scales. Messina truncated scales. It's a cool app and works great for using in arranging and soloing. And practicing patterns.

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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Wowee Zowee. I use the Phryghtening Dominant Scale. Zappa used it alot. (here we get silly. Lee? Other Chromatic Aberrations?)

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Post Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
My teachers have generally referred to this as Phrygian Dominant. I've heard "Spanish Phrygian" as well, but I personally think that name is kind of silly ;)

Side note, I've REALLY been liking this scale but with the natural 7 lately. It's got a really neat coloring to it, although it's admittedly a bit more difficult to find good context for.


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