For Those of You Who Need to Get Your Major/Minor modes goin
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Tatsu
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![Post Post](./styles/serenitydarkblue/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif) For Those of You Who Need to Get Your Major/Minor modes goin
Here's a website that does a good job of explaining everything. http://rudiseitz.com/2013/01/18/guitar-modes-unified/
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rclere
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Tatsu, this is really great, thanks for posting this.... I saw a video w/Bob Culbertson, explaining this. it is nice to have the visual in front of me!
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Balt-A-Sar
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thank you Tatsu,
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greg
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An interesting article. I still have to do part 2 for this one, but here is an alternative Stick-centric representation: http://www.greghoward.com/free_hands/lessons/modesmadeeasy.pdf
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Tatsu
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You're welcome.
Hi Greg, stick centered is of course very useful. Its of course very beneficial to look at things in as many different ways as possible.
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Jzzb8ovn
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I love the simplicity of that. Thanks for sharing.
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Tatsu
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Yeah simple.
Just wanted to go into the conversation that always accompanies a discussion of modes about what modal playing is and isn't.
Modal playing is not, for example, playing a C Major scale and starting on D to get a D Dorian scale. Yes, that makes a D Dorian scale but if the Chord or PROGRESSON is outlining the key of C Major then [since it's all the same notes as C Major just starting on D] it will sound like you're playing a C Major scale. Where the soloist starts when real music is playing is irrelevant. The chord progression D-7 G7 CMaj7 will always make any of the modes built on C sound like C Major even though you thought you were playing a C Ionian mode, a D Dorian mode, an E Phrygian mode, F Lydian mode, G Mixolydian mode, A Aeolian mode, or B Locrian mode.
Now if the chords playing happen to be Bhalf-dim Emin and A min then your D Dorian mode will sound like A min no matter what you may think about playing a C Major scale starting on D should make a D Dorian. Wrong.
If you want to make that D Dorian sound like a D Dorian when chords are playing, the chords should be something that defines D as the tonic. That might be E-7 A-7 and D-7. There's more than one progression that will do that but this one defines it quite strongly.
Someone with the name JazzB8ovn probably already knows all that so I'm not really talking to you. It's the others who might be misled.
The other issue in jazz is that you don't have to affirm the chord your on. If the Bhalfdim E-7 A-7 has landed on the A minor and everyone is expecting to hear only white keys but you play A dorian instead with an F#, then they're forced to re-evaluate the last chord with the scale you played as defining the key area of A Dorian. Its kind of a surprise because you deceived everyone with the previous two chords that A Aeolian was coming. Hope that makes sense.
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Stickrad
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Hey Tatsu. I found that John McLaughlin's approach towards the modes to be very enlightening. He basically has each mode played over a drone that underpins the melodic colour of each mode. This really made it easier for me to internalise any given mode and had my ear more in tune with it's musical expression. I suppose it has a parallel with what Indian rags do in terms of making the most of intervals as melodic fragments and gestures. JM's instruction pdfs are available for free from his website. http://www.mediastarz.com/produits-detail.php?id=9
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Tatsu
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Hey Stickrad,
yeah, I imagine playing over the drone would help a lot to internalize the sound of each mode. I got them by singing the with solfeggio. If an ascending chromatic scale is Do Di Re Ri Mi Fa Fi Sol Si La Li Ti Do (Descending with Do Ti Teh La Leh Sol Seh Fa Mi Meh Di Do), then, for example, Lydian Dominant would go Do Re Mi Fi Sol La Teh Do. However you get it. As long as you get it.
Listening to chord progressions which define the modes is another good way. ii V Is actually don't work so well to define modal harmony. People really have to do a proper study of modal harmony from a reliable source.
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greg
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To those of you who want to play the seven common diatonic modes, each in three positional different fingerings, over a drone tone, I refer you to pages 6-5, 6-6 and 6-7 of The Stick Book.
Happy Tapping!
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