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 Jazz and the Pinky. 
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I always say if asked, "this is how I do it". There are options and the player has to decide on what works best for his/her style and physicality.

Right. Just to clarify my previous post for everyone else, it was a switch I chose to make. To be honest, I was reluctant to try using 4 fingers because I had been learning for a year using 3. But I felt I owed it to myself to give it a chance. By the second week it was very clear to me that using 4 fingers worked much better for me than 3.

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I'm certainly not anywhere near as adept as Greg & Steve (who is??), but I played with both of these methods before settling on one and sticking with it.

Using 4 fingers certainly made more sense to me, as you just assign a finger to a fret and don't have to worry about as much lateral movement. Technically, to me, this is the most logical approach.

The problem I continually battled with (with guitar as well), is a strength issue with my pinky. Granted, playing Stick generally requires a light touch, one of the beauties of the instrument, as it allows one to really be expressive with dynamics. I tend to like to use a lot of bending in my playing, and regardless of whether I tried bending with an up or down motion, I couldn't get comfortable bending with my pinky. Because of this, I chose the three finger approach, and once I made that choice I eventually got comfortable with the extra lateral movement necessary.

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Bending with the pinky alone is indeed difficult. No strength. I suggest all the fingers be on the same string behind the pinky to give the bend support.
It's like, if your car breaks down and you solicit other guys/gals to help you push instead of being that pinky yourself.

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And then there are those like Bob Culbertson who use all 10...Yikes!


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DaveS wrote:
And then there are those like Bob Culbertson who use all 10...Yikes!

Indeed!

Check out Steve's latest DVD. You'd swear he's using more than 10. :)

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I really like using my pinky particularly for chords and multi-tonal segments in the right hand. I also really believe there is allot of merit in the big muscle movements of Greg's technique. I am specifically trying to gain the benefits of both though my practice.

I am a total newbie with just over 300 hours of practice but I have decided that all too often especially among newer players focusing too much on "economy of motion" can lead to largely using finger energy which I would think would be more facilitative of injury as playing times increase and the years pass.

My 2 cents,

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CurtisAbbott wrote:
I really like using my pinky particularly for chords and multi-tonal segments in the right hand. I also really believe there is allot of merit in the big muscle movements of Greg's technique. I am specifically trying to gain the benefits of both though my practice.

I am a total newbie with just over 300 hours of practice but I have decided that all too often especially among newer players focusing too much on "economy of motion" can lead to largely using finger energy which I would think would be more facilitative of injury as playing times increase and the years pass.

My 2 cents,

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Most injuries come from not practicing properly, not from using 4 fingers over three. If you know how to properly develop motor and muscle memory it doesnt matter what technique you choose or how many fingers you use.

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Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:14 pm
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Interesting - I have always used 4 fingers, because that's how many I have on my right hand over the frets. Not sure why you would not use something that's sitting right there...
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Randy wrote:
Interesting - I have always used 4 fingers, because that's how many I have on my right hand over the frets. Not sure why you would not use something that's sitting right there...
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Less strength and sharing a tendon with the third finger. Neither is a real issue but I guess different people have different problems. As with most things in life it's just personal preference. Either won can work fine.

I may be wrong here, and I'm sure Greg will correct me if I am, but I think one of the big selling points for Greg and the 3 finger posse is the ease for beginners to grasp the instrument and move forward.

In the end, none of it really matters. Go with whats comfortable to you.

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wise2178 wrote:
Most injuries come from not practicing properly, not from using 4 fingers over three.


If that was in anyway understood from my post then perhaps I communicated improperly for if I believed that 4 finger technique caused issues I certainly would not be using 4 fingers myself.

From piano (using all fingers) most teachers would tend to also encourage big muscle usage rather than stationary arms and hard working fingers. I should have been more clear. I meant that sometimes a beginner could misapply the concept of "economy of motion" causing them issue in both damage and development.

I am in the middle of the road on the 3 vs. 4 finger question seeking to gain the advantage of a well developed pinky and arm energy and motion.

Sorry for the unintended implication.

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