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Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
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paigan0
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
WerkSpace wrote: Another option is the Fishman TriplePlay wireless MIDI system. I have one, but I haven't tested it on a Stick yet.
Does Stick Enterprises support installing the Fishman wireless? That actually looks pretty cool--although it seems a bit bulky. It's around $399 as well. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TriplePlayPU/Adds: List of free software that Sweetwater throws in with it as well: Native Instruments – KOMPLETE Elements and GuitarRig LE Notion Music – PROGRESSION 2 IK Multimedia – SampleTank 2 XT and AmpliTube Custom Shop PreSonus – Studio One Artist TriplePlay Edition PRO-TRP-301
I like that it's wireless and all-in-one--I don't need a separate analog to MIDI converter. I seem to remember a couple of Youtube videos of a Stickist installing the Fishman on their Railboard, but I seem to remember some heavy-duty drilling or machining.
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gpoorman
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
WerkSpace wrote: The GK-3 is not a direct MIDI device. It's a divided pickup with 13 wires. You will have to use a synth to convert this analog information to MIDI. You don't need a synth. Roland has made products that strictly do GK to MIDI conversion that you can probably find used (the GI-10 and GI-20, both half rack units). I believe there were one or two third party units along the way as well. Generally when I'm in a MIDI Stick phase, I just have a GI-20 in my rig and use it to drive software synths. At one point I had a GI-20 and Roland XV-2020 synth module in my rig. Both were half rack units so between them I had one rack space of synthy goodness that I controlled with my MIDI foot controller. That is the same setup Tom Griesgraber is using currently.
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Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:29 am |
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paigan0
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
gpoorman wrote: You don't need a synth. Roland has made products that strictly do GK to MIDI conversion that you can probably find used (the GI-10 and GI-20, both half rack units). I believe there were one or two third party units along the way as well. Generally when I'm in a MIDI Stick phase, I just have a GI-20 in my rig and use it to drive software synths. GI-20 is around $200-250 used. That sounds better than $700. But I'm willing to spend that and more on a good product--just not right now, yet. Great suggestions from everyone so far; glad I posted this.
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Jzzb8ovn
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
I think there is an obsolete midi converter axon 100mk2 i think you can still get them on ebay. I saw one in a store here used for 200 bucks. I dont know how well it works. I know i was researching for the exact same reason. I elected to cancel my gk3 for now as being canadian the exchange rate taxes and duty or not favourable for me
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paigan0
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
Quote: I elected to cancel my gk3 for now as being Canadian the exchange rate taxes and duty are not favourable for me. I'm really waffling on the GK-3 pickups now. I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to get something MIDI professionally installed, but I don't know that I want to spend $1400 (GK-3 for $600 installed and GK-55 new for $799 on top of the $2500 for a Railboard) to get MIDI, when I can play keyboards already.
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WerkSpace
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
It's a lot of money and something that you need to think about. The GR-55 and GK-3 pickups are on eBay all the time. Modifying the pickup spacing for a Stick can be tricky, but having said that, it's not out of the scope for a DIY guy. I've attached a photo of what the pickup looks like outside of it's shell. paigan0 wrote: I'm really waffling on the GK-3 pickups now. I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to get something MIDI professionally installed, but I don't know that I want to spend $1400 (GK-3 for $600 installed and GK-55 new for $799 on top of the $2500 for a Railboard) to get MIDI, when I can play keyboards already.
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paigan0
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
WerkSpace wrote: Modifying the pickup spacing for a Stick can be tricky,but having said that, it's not out of the scope for a DIY guy.I've attached a photo of what the pickup looks like outside of it's shell. Are we talking re-spacing the pickups and then re-soldering them kind of DIY? Which is within my abilities but maybe further than I wanted to go. But I've seen GK-3 and GR-55 combos for less than $700 and that's new prices. Is this something I can legitimately add myself later?
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WerkSpace
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
I've added a second photo to my other post. It shows my Stick string spacing at 3/10 of an inch. The GK-3 pickup spacing is at 4/10 of an inch. There are only 7 wires to configure on the pickup side. All pickups share the same signal return wire. In my case, I only need 6 wires for my five melody strings. I intend to remove my individual pickups and set them into a mold. They will be positioned with the proper spacing, before applying epoxy. The end result will be an epoxy block with the pickups set in place. There's a bit more to this, but you get the idea. It's not rocket science, but it's not for everyone either. As a DIY hobbyist, all sorts of things get created. paigan0 wrote: WerkSpace wrote: Modifying the pickup spacing for a Stick can be tricky,but having said that, it's not out of the scope for a DIY guy.I've attached a photo of what the pickup looks like outside of it's shell. Are we talking re-spacing the pickups and then re-soldering them kind of DIY? Which is within my abilities but maybe further than I wanted to go. But I've seen GK-3 and GR-55 combos for less than $700 and that's new prices. Is this something I can legitimately add myself later?
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paigan0
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
WerkSpace wrote: I intend to remove my individual pickups and set them into a mold. They will be positioned with the proper spacing, before applying epoxy. The end result will be an epoxy block with the pickups set in place.
That's within my abilities but more effort than I'd like to expend. Maybe I'll live with Emmett installing the GK-3, and then save up for any actual MIDI enabling hardware. Or just say forget MIDI for now. It's too expensive and too much of a hassle for someone who can already play the keyboards. What about the Fishman Triple Play? Hard to install on a Railboard? Edits to add: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=84520 Found that conversation about the Fishman, which WerkSpace was part of. I'm reading through it.
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rwkeating
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Re: Stick MIDI strategy--good guitar synth to go with GK-3
WerkSpace wrote: ... I intend to remove my individual pickups and set them into a mold. They will be positioned with the proper spacing, before applying epoxy. The end result will be an epoxy block with the pickups set in place. ...
If you do that, please make a post about it and include pictures. That would be very cool to see.
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