The SE Patents hold real value. If these Patents did not exist, many companies would be producing Sticks, Railboards, NS Sticks etc.
...exactly like this....may be SE will sell the Patents....everything is possible....
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:54 am
Balt-A-Sar
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
Captain Strings wrote:
Quote:
Dude, that's wrong. You can't write this and not share what's going on.
Do tell!
Nothing much to tell. Down a road, stairway up a hill, shop full of Sticks in various stages of completion. Several folks quietly staying to task and recovering admirably from some setbacks. Last time I was over, they had a new type of SKB hardshell case. All black, kinda like a Pelican case - very tough, stout and light. I think there's pictures of it now on their site. https://www.stick.com/shop/accessories/cases/hard/
So yeah Stick Enterprises is very much in business. Be patient folks.
...ok, thank you for information, SE is overworked, you say, didn't you?.....
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:59 am
Balt-A-Sar
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
Big George Waters wrote:
....I would say things will continue as they are, until they stop taking deposits for new instruments/repairs/etc....
...then I'm very reassured, because I ordered an Alto last August and paid the deposit. There was talk of a waiting period of 14-16 months, possibly longer....
Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:04 am
begin again
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
Balt-A-Sar wrote:
WerkSpace wrote:
The SE Patents hold real value. If these Patents did not exist, many companies would be producing Sticks, Railboards, NS Sticks etc.
...exactly like this....may be SE will sell the Patents....everything is possible....
One problem is patents only have a term of 20 years, many of the patents are expired. a quickie USPTO search on inventor is only showing me 3 live patents (and a bunch of expired ones) US-8324489-B1 US-8183447-B1 US-7629521-B1 (looks like railboard and 4 way truss).
stick.com used to have a patent list, but that's 404ing
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Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:19 am
begin again
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
baggetthouse wrote:
bizon wrote:
Stick setup alone is a tricky art. I thought it was easier than expected after trying to change string gauges from Heavy to Mediums. But I started the process wrong, screwing it up even further by the time Grace gave me proper instructions via email. Thus, I'm on the 2 year repair waiting list! Maybe I'll figure it out in the meantime. Thankfully, I have two Sticks.
SCUBA training has a conundrum that is similar [training models have changed from back in the day, it's a lot more phased...small steps now] One one hand, you don't want people misadjusting things they are breathing out of OTOH making things a "black box" can tend to - make people fear their equipment. - create a situation where divers don't recognize issues before they become problems - have divers not fully understand the ins and outs of maintenance - obscure the line of when advanced service is needed
Most training agencies offer a "gear technician" class. Which isn't regulator repair tech, but helps cover those areas. Maybe a similar model would be appropriate
Maybe some comprehensive "care and feeding" materials ("Chapman Stick Technical" manual or something) or training classes at the seminars , or maybe as a special seminar I doubt I'm alone in being used to paying more for technical manuals than operating instructional materials (hey, the DM's Guide was always more expensive than the Player's Handbook!!! ) and would gladly do so
It could keep sticks in the field in better condition and maybe take a little of the what did you do!?! here let me fix it load off SE so they can concentrate on core operations
Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:39 am
gpoorman
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
begin again wrote:
Maybe some comprehensive "care and feeding" materials ("Chapman Stick Technical" manual or something) or training classes at the seminars , or maybe as a special seminar
Our first afternoon at Interlochen has always been tech/setup/adjustments. Pretty thorough too. Unfortunately Greg always ran that one. I've always been semi-comfortable with it but not qualified to take over so we kind of skipped it last summer. Probably in the future I'll check with my potential teachers to see who is comfortable with it.
Where it's the same person doing both new builds & repairs that doesn't seem at all surprising.
If you were waiting for a new instrument would you be impressed if other jobs kept being inserted into the queue ahead of you?
Just a thought...
just thinking out loud here (I haven't done any process control stuff for abt a..eww quarter century now) but maybe single-line FIFO (aka queue) isn't the optimal strategy perhaps allocating X time for wood, Y time for railboard, Z timefor repairs per cycle (not sure where NS fits in there, but they are poopie heads anyway!! ) and adjusting delivery estimates accordingly would be helpful.
That way expectations are clear, there is a service pathway, but jobs aren't continually being inserted ahead of order
couple of 'soft' thoughts on that
Not sure what the assembly time for railboard is...but I suspect it's significantly lower and I think the blanks are batch processed. So we may be talking significantly higher throughput for those orders getting more instruments into more hands
At a 24 month buy in as-is, maybe...MAYBE (unsure)...potential customers would be less sensitive to a push out on longer-production-time units (24 vs 26 or what have you)
There are certainly some social dynamics around some aspects (esp within a community as this). Baggetthouse, for example, does have another functioning instrument, so perhaps he would be less sensitive to his time in the repair queue.
I, for example, struggle with Chapman stick for personal enrichment (and t o keep the ole noggin neuroplastic. Also find it helps with crippling depression)and have no performance aspirations. I would cede time in the queue for performing musicians and/or those without an instrument.
I suspect it would be too administratively and socially complex to add that as an order option - So I'd think you;'d want to look at the aggregate and do a static allocation).
Aside : Ah, it reminds me of CS where I had this prof who was into replacing stack and queues with sorted lists for control flow. Neat idea and it made for a default best-first instead of depth- or breadth-first scheme, but hilarity could ensue
but I digress, just a thought on something that might, merely MIGHT (esp not having any numbers) improve throughput.
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Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:59 am
begin again
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
hey! hope all my word-vomit doesn't come off as dismissive of any perspectives or pessimistic about the future or anything. I mean it to be quite the opposite.
I guess, as I look out the window and watch the season change (frighteningly early - and I'm in a rebuilding phase myself. There was much loss ) I think about the changes in season for Chapman Stick and the stick community. I find the concerns valid and hope to approach it less as what's going to happen? and more how can I help?
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:07 am
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Re: The Future of Stick Enterprises
gpoorman wrote:
begin again wrote:
Maybe some comprehensive "care and feeding" materials ("Chapman Stick Technical" manual or something) or training classes at the seminars , or maybe as a special seminar
Our first afternoon at Interlochen has always been tech/setup/adjustments. Pretty thorough too. Unfortunately Greg always ran that one. I've always been semi-comfortable with it but not qualified to take over so we kind of skipped it last summer. Probably in the future I'll check with my potential teachers to see who is comfortable with it.
oh that's great! I didn't realize his video on setting up DBR I think it on everyone's playlist I need to personally access the community more [though since Covid...I can't seem to remember what "personally" is] - maybe this year I can put the foot down Woman! stop signing me up for stuff, I'm not 9 and just because you are 3 times smarter than me doesn't mean I shouldn't have a say in my schedule
I've had the main components to build a Chapman Stick for my own personal use for many years. The wood that I will be using is PurpleHeart. I've purchased a small CNC wood carving machine that might be up to the task. (If I put the wood in diagonally) I've calculated the hypotenuse to be 45" and my vintage stick is 42". So, it might work. If not, I have other plans for this machine.
I bought their controller and their touchscreen display options. The machine can work on its own, without a computer connected.
This machine has X 32" - Y 32" - Z 5" capability It's good enough to handle the smaller 3D carving jobs. I'm especially interested in doing inlays of different wood types.
_________________ #404 Stick - (1978) Angico hard wood. #6460 Railboard - Black with glow inlays.
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