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Hi all,

I have now finished my first collaborative recording from the "new year goals" thread. The backing is by Dubyasee, the mistakes are mine. You can listen here:

Photomixing Eddie

As you will hear, I'm struggling a little with setting the gain structure in Logic, there is some slight distortion on the loudest notes. (Any hints on how to avoid that are welcome).

I hope you like it, it was a lot of fun to record this!
Johannes

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Thats a pretty cool little piece. I love how it opens.

I would suggest turning down the lead melody a bit. It overpowers the rhythm and bass a bit much.

There are maybe one or two times where I sounds like the bass and melody are playing things that don't work well together in a rhythmic sense. Perhaps a few times in the song it might be usefull to sustain a bass or rhythm note for maybe a half note. It would give an interesting pause to the rhythm, providing emphasis, and it would also give the melody a bit more freedom for a moment.
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After listening to it again, I can't even find the spots I was thinking about. Maybe I was just halucinating or something.

Its a cool piece though. I'm going to listen to it again.


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Johannes,
My hat is off to you for accepting the challenge of working with the rhythm track I sent you. There are places where our playing works and maybe some where it doesn't, but your tone and approach is good and I had to smile listening to it. Thank you for taking my stuff seriously enough to add your bit.

I am still listening to the tracks you sent me. So far I don't hear any Stick parts that I could possibly play, but some other instruments come to mind (acoustic slide guitar, blues harmonica... sparsely mixed in the background with a lot of spacial effect). I'll keep you posted.
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nashorn wrote:
Hi all,

I have now finished my first collaborative recording from the "new year goals" thread. The backing is by Dubyasee, the mistakes are mine. You can listen here:

Photomixing Eddie

As you will hear, I'm struggling a little with setting the gain structure in Logic, there is some slight distortion on the loudest notes. (Any hints on how to avoid that are welcome).

I hope you like it, it was a lot of fun to record this!
Johannes
Hi Johannes (and Walter),

Thanks for posting, I really like hearing the two of you together. Recording electric instruments direct is really tricky. The Stick is very dynamic, so you should always record 24 bit if you can, and give yourself a 4-6 dB cushion at the loudest point.

you may need to turnyour monitors up higher than you would normally expect to avoid "overplaying"

If you can record 24-bit, there's no reason to push the meters all the way to zero on individual tracks. When you mix them all together they will be too hot anyway.

For mixdown, try a fast attack and fast release limiter on the really dynamic tracks. Don't compress more than about 2:1 and set the threshold just low enough to catch the peaks.

Looking forward to more.

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Thanks for the mixdown tips Greg. It's a very subtle thing and minute changes in headroom and compression make a world of difference - for the better or the worse. I absolutely love Glenn Poorman's 121Normal which I picked up from him at a local gig. After digging how good the recording quality was I noticed you mixed and mastered it!

Thanks again and I'm digging the whole collaboration thing!!

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Hi Walter,

dubyasee wrote:
My hat is off to you for accepting the challenge of working with the rhythm track I sent you. There are places where our playing works and maybe some where it doesn't, but your tone and approach is good and I had to smile listening to it. Thank you for taking my stuff seriously enough to add your bit.


Well, thank you for the backing track, it was really nice to work with someone else's track. With my own tracks I usually am working within my comfort zone, so it was a challenge, indeed.

dubyasee wrote:
I am still listening to the tracks you sent me. So far I don't hear any Stick parts that I could possibly play, but some other instruments come to mind (acoustic slide guitar, blues harmonica... sparsely mixed in the background with a lot of spacial effect). I'll keep you posted.
-Walter


There is only one rule: There are no rules ;) So I'm looking forward to hearing whatever you do with it, with your Stick or without.

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varnon wrote:
Thats a pretty cool little piece. I love how it opens..


Hi Varnon,

thank you very much for the kind words. I like the beginning best, too. I have to admit that I ran ran a little out of steam towards the end.

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Hi Greg,

thank you very much for your advice. very much appreciated.

greg wrote:
The Stick is very dynamic, so you should always record 24 bit if you can, and give yourself a 4-6 dB cushion at the loudest point.


I have noticed some extreme peaks, but interestingly, the meters aren't even in the red at the points where I can hear some distortion. That puzzles me a little. Maybe I'm overloading a plugin.
I just recently switched to recording with my new notebook, before that I had a digital stand-alone recorder. I have to get used to the different way the dynamics of the tracks and the master are displayed.

greg wrote:

you may need to turn your monitors up higher than you would normally expect to avoid "overplaying"

If you can record 24-bit, there's no reason to push the meters all the way to zero on individual tracks. When you mix them all together they will be too hot anyway.


I will do that next time, I also read recently that usually the external sound cards will sound better if you don't push them too hard.

greg wrote:

For mixdown, try a fast attack and fast release limiter on the really dynamic tracks. Don't compress more than about 2:1 and set the threshold just low enough to catch the peaks.


I will try that, thank you!

greg wrote:

Looking forward to more.


Me too. Anyone else have a backing track? ;)

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I love the chord progression ! What is it ? It sounds like a very good practice exercise for me :-)


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Bravo, Gentlemen! A very delightful piece, and some very nicely phrased and executed ideas, nashorn!

nashorn wrote:
....the mistakes are mine....


Oh no--there's no mistakes, only "passing tones." ;)

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