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LADC
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 Re: Internet Identity K Rex wrote: We are all capable of remaining free as long as we fight to preserve our freedom. We cannot function as spirits and artists in an environment of oppression.
Kev I hear ya. I think our best weapon in this fight is our art form.
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K Rex
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Re: Internet Identity T-chord,
It seems you are doing the same thing we all razzed "Tapmeister" about over on Tappistry a couple years back, although he had the wisdom to reveal himself when the jig was up.
What's up with you, dude? Why aren't you posting as Traktor Topaz?
L. Ron Hubbard said that being disingenuous will get you covered with icky thetans... Are you sure this is the approach you want to take here?
K Rex
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surfindogg
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Re: Internet Identity My brother worked for what I shall broadly refer to as the Ministry of Defence in the UK. He then ran his own I.T. company for a number of years and was very successful until for some reason HMRC [the UK version of the IRS] went after him. After a valiant struggle he threw in the towel and went to live on a commune where they grow all their own food and produce their own electricity. To a great extent they are independent of the state and big business. It can be done.
On a totally different point and this is not directed at you Kev but please people, do not use the term A-rab. By doing so you lump all Arabic people into a group that is then seen as terrorists. Islamic fundamentalist terrorists can be Indonesian, north African or even radicalised US or UK citizens. I have traveled through many Arabic countries and so many people I met loved the US and all it stands for. By referring to A-rabs you are catagorising them as Islamic fundamentalist terrorists and risk alienating those who do not view the US and the west as an enemy.
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Tetrachord
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Re: Internet Identity Greg is right. I am a noisy bird, and an insignificant one at that. Happy tapping, old cat.
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K Rex
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Re: Internet Identity Sorry to offend, Surfindogg. I agree...
I was being specific as the hijackers were Arabic, from Saudi Arabia...
... if you believe that sort of thing...
Kev
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surfindogg
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Re: Internet Identity Non taken Kev - it's not a personal thing for me. Just that it is much easier to lose hearts and minds than it is to win them.  Thinking of some alternative power for the farm though, have you looked in to generating some of your own? A friend who used to live in Ireland built a wind powered generator using an oil drum and bits he picked up from a scrapyard. I don't know how it works over there but where my brother lives they sell any power they generate that they don't use back to the electricity company. So during the day they get paid to generate when not too many people have lights on and pay the electric company for any they use over what they generate. Any house in the UK can do the same thing with photo-voltaic cells. Power unused during the day goes back through the meter and spins it backwards thus reducing your bill.
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K Rex
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Re: Internet Identity Case in point: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/2 ... 15156.htmlEgyptian leaders are tyrants. Egyptian people get pissed. Egyptian people use net to freely assemble. Egyptian police kill protestors. Egyptian people riot. Egyptian leaders shut down net. Egyptian people go back to their hiding places. I rest my case. k
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v015eyjd
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Re: Internet Identity Emmett, et al., BSharp wrote: Some of us are going to great lengths (especially me it seems) to make sense of a historic social issue upon us - how to behave and identify yourself (or not) on the Internet.
Freedom is a state of mind, part of our human nature, but at the societal level freedom is a rare luxury. Something has to come before. Certain conditions must be in place or else freedom degenerates into anarchy and mutual destruction.
So what comes before, cultural consensus or the power of diversity? Some say the age of Christianity created the right conditions (and others say it was Mel Gibson). If the Scots or the Celts brought about political freedom on their islands, it was with a passion.
I believe honesty and a peer group sense of fair play can lay the ground for personal freedom. I think you can find at least some answers to the questions you pose in a book titled "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen. It's available on Amazon for $12 and I was able to get it from my local library. Here's the description from the website: The nation the Founders built is now in the throes of a political, economic, social, and spiritual crisis that has driven many to an almost frantic search for modern solutions. The truth is that the solutions have been available for a long time -- in the writings of our Founding Fathers -- carefully set forth in this timely book.
In The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World, Discover the 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. Learn how adherence to these beliefs during the past 200 years has brought about more progress than was made in the previous 5000 years. These 28 Principles include The Genius of Natural Law, Virtuous and Moral Leaders, Equal Rights--Not Equal Things, and Avoiding the Burden of Debt. Published by the National Center for Constitutional Studies, a nonprofit educational foundation dedicated to restoring Constitutional principles in the tradition of America's Founding Fathers.Some argue that the Constitution is an old, outdated document that has no relevance to today. This book explains the 28 Principles that the Founders used to create our system of government. These principles were based on the observation of human behavior during the 5000 years of recorded history that preceded them. Nothing was done in a rush, and as an example they cite one particular section (I'm sorry but I don't remember which one) that took 60 votes before the current language as it appears in the document was agreed upon. Apparently this was typical. I found it to be a great read and should anyone be willing to check it out, I'd love to hear what you think. Jim
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mad_monk
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Re: Internet Identity Hi v015eyjd,
I share your enthusiasm. The US Constitution is one of mankind's greatest achievements.
Accordingly, some considerable study is required to understand how it came to be and how it works; one must read up on European and early colonial history, as well as pore over thousands of pages of the Founders' writings to get the picture. Obviously very few Americans have the leisure time to do this.
That's where pseudo-historians like Skousen come in. In one easy-to-read volume they offer the edifying notion (to some) that the Founders intended to create a Christian nation. They quote out of context as well as invent quotations outright (David Barton, the most popular of these guys, has been caught doing this repeatedly, and it has done nothing to damage his reputation). There is a lot of money in this racket.
To those who want to read this propaganda, I would suggest that if a quotation particularly interests you, you might want to track down the entire source document and read it. Also investigate the historical context. You will learn something about history and perhaps something about human gullibility.
Sorry to be a buzzkill.
Mad Monk.
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tritone
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Re: Internet Identity mad_monk wrote: Hi v015eyjd,
I share your enthusiasm. The US Constitution is one of mankind's greatest achievements.
Accordingly, some considerable study is required to understand how it came to be and how it works; one must read up on European and early American history, as well as pore over thousands of pages of the Founders' writings to get the picture. Obviously very few Americans have the leisure time to do this.
That's where pseudo-historians like Skousen come in. In one easy-to-read volume they offer the edifying notion (to some) that the Founders intended to found a Christian nation. They quote out of context as well as invent quotations outright (David Barton, the most popular of these guys, has been caught doing this repeatedly, and it has done nothing to damage his reputation). There is a lot of money in this racket.
To those who want to read this propaganda, I would suggest that if a quotation particularly interests you, you might want to track down the entire source document and read it. Try to find out about the historical context as well. You will learn something about history and perhaps something about human gullibility as well.
Sorry to be a buzzkill.
Mad Monk. Nice to see you again Randy. How's things? Tritone
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