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Markussz
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Re: Hi
Its an inside joke that business with the thirds tuning. Kinda absurd, arguing about it. That thread reminds me of a 17th century picture of classical guitarists beating each other because some preferred to pick with their nails, while others used the pads of their fingers, sans nails. I saw your comments about the thirds tuning and couldn’t resist stirring the pot. Don’t take offense. Whatever works for you is all that matters.
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Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 pm |
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Markussz
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Here's the painting that I mentioned regarding guitarists fighting, the nail users vs. the non nail users. I thought of that thread....then imagined stickists going at it over Thirds Tuning vs. Standard tuning.
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greg
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Markussz wrote: Its an inside joke that business with the thirds tuning. Kinda absurd, arguing about it. That thread reminds me of a 17th century picture of classical guitarists beating each other because some preferred to pick with their nails, while others used the pads of their fingers, sans nails. I saw your comments about the thirds tuning and couldn’t resist stirring the pot. Don’t take offense. Whatever works for you is all that matters. Emmett's hardware design supports all tunings within the limitatiions of string tension, so feel free to experiment. I've tried minor 3rds, major 3rds, mirrored 4ths, and some odd hybrids. From a theoretical perspective, 3rds tunings offer some interesting chordal possibilities, but that's about it. Range reduction is the most obvious price you pay, but there is a tremendous advantage in terms of how musical patterns are revealed on both 4ths and 5ths. On both 4ths and 5ths, the most common harmonic structures, namely diatonic and pentatonic, have a regularity that makes the pattern of the scale, and it's associated chords very easy to see and to execute. In 4ths diatonic harmony has three notes per string, and pentatonic has two, and in 5ths diatonic harmony has four notes per string and pentatonic has three. 4ths diatonically (shown in C), you can see the pattern very clearly, and it repeats every 7 strings, offsetting by one fretCode: | - | C | - | D | - | E | | - | G | - | A | - | B | | - | D | - | E | F | - | | - | A | - | B | C | - | | - | E | F | - | G | - | | - | B | C | - | D | - | | F | - | G | - | A | - | | C | - | D | - | E | - |
inverted 5ths diatonically in C, you can see the pattern very clearly, and it repeats every 7 strings, offsetting by one fretCode: | - | C | - | D | - | E | F | | - | G | - | A | - | B | C | | - | D | - | E | F | - | G | | - | A | - | B | C | - | D | | - | E | F | - | G | - | A | | - | B | C | - | D | - | E | | F | - | G | - | A | - | B | | C | - | D | - | E | F | - |
Maj 3rds in C, as you can see the patter repeats every 4th string, and sometimes you have three notes per string and sometimes 2Code: | - | A | - | B | | E | F | - | G | | C | - | D | - | | - | A | - | B | | E | F | - | G | | C | - | D | - |
Min 3rds in C, as you can see the patter repeats every 5th string, and sometimes you have two notes per string and sometimes only oneCode: | C | - | D | | A | - | B | | - | G | - | | - | E | F | | C | - | D |
I think it's the irregularity of the Major and minor 3rds that makes them less useful overall, especially for melodic work. To me there is nothing more satisfying than ripping around the board without having to think too much about the overall pattern. Perhaps it's just what I'm used to, but three notes per string is pretty spectacular. One thing I do like about these two tunings is that each fret has a consistent group of lettered notes as you move across C, E, and G# for example are always on the same fret. Maj 3rds for example:Code: | G#| A | A#| B | | E | F | F#| G | | C | C#| D | D#| | G#| A | A#| B | | E | F | F#| G | | C | C#| D | D#|
So you could put an inlay mark across every 4th fret, and those marks would have the same trio of notes everywhere. The unfortunate thing is that they are not very well-related harmonically, neither are minor 3rds. So "real world" harmony doesn't fit the pattern nearly as well as the geometric division of the octave does... To each his own. It costs you very little to experiment, and you may find something you really like. If you want to play melody 4ths and inverted 5ths, there are a lot of people who can help you get the most out of it.
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ixlramp
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Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:18 pm Posts: 171 Location: UK
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Re: Hi
I like that painting, and i note that they are actually using their instruments as weapons. Yes, 3rds is somewhat weird. My own use for 3rds is very weird and it ends up being suitable My 3rds tuning in its Just Intonation form is alternating major and minor 3rds, so 2 strings across is a 5th.
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Sun May 19, 2019 6:32 pm |
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Markussz
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Joined: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:43 am Posts: 857
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Re: Hi
Using a railboard as a weapon would inflict major injuries. Not so much with a classical guitar. Guess I never had any of those Pete Townshend urges. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pe ... &FORM=VIRE
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Balt-A-Sar
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Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:13 pm Posts: 623
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greg wrote: Markussz wrote: Its an inside joke that business with the thirds tuning. Kinda absurd, arguing about it. That thread reminds me of a 17th century picture of classical guitarists beating each other because some preferred to pick with their nails, while others used the pads of their fingers, sans nails. I saw your comments about the thirds tuning and couldn’t resist stirring the pot. Don’t take offense. Whatever works for you is all that matters. Emmett's hardware design supports all tunings within the limitatiions of string tension, so feel free to experiment. I've tried minor 3rds, major 3rds, mirrored 4ths, and some odd hybrids. From a theoretical perspective, 3rds tunings offer some interesting chordal possibilities, but that's about it. Range reduction is the most obvious price you pay, but there is a tremendous advantage in terms of how musical patterns are revealed on both 4ths and 5ths. On both 4ths and 5ths, the most common harmonic structures, namely diatonic and pentatonic, have a regularity that makes the pattern of the scale, and it's associated chords very easy to see and to execute. In 4ths diatonic harmony has three notes per string, and pentatonic has two, and in 5ths diatonic harmony has four notes per string and pentatonic has three. 4ths diatonically (shown in C), you can see the pattern very clearly, and it repeats every 7 strings, offsetting by one fretCode: | - | C | - | D | - | E | | - | G | - | A | - | B | | - | D | - | E | F | - | | - | A | - | B | C | - | | - | E | F | - | G | - | | - | B | C | - | D | - | | F | - | G | - | A | - | | C | - | D | - | E | - |
inverted 5ths diatonically in C, you can see the pattern very clearly, and it repeats every 7 strings, offsetting by one fretCode: | - | C | - | D | - | E | F | | - | G | - | A | - | B | C | | - | D | - | E | F | - | G | | - | A | - | B | C | - | D | | - | E | F | - | G | - | A | | - | B | C | - | D | - | E | | F | - | G | - | A | - | B | | C | - | D | - | E | F | - |
Maj 3rds in C, as you can see the patter repeats every 4th string, and sometimes you have three notes per string and sometimes 2Code: | - | A | - | B | | E | F | - | G | | C | - | D | - | | - | A | - | B | | E | F | - | G | | C | - | D | - |
Min 3rds in C, as you can see the patter repeats every 5th string, and sometimes you have two notes per string and sometimes only oneCode: | C | - | D | | A | - | B | | - | G | - | | - | E | F | | C | - | D |
I think it's the irregularity of the Major and minor 3rds that makes them less useful overall, especially for melodic work. To me there is nothing more satisfying than ripping around the board without having to think too much about the overall pattern. Perhaps it's just what I'm used to, but three notes per string is pretty spectacular. One thing I do like about these two tunings is that each fret has a consistent group of lettered notes as you move across C, E, and G# for example are always on the same fret. Maj 3rds for example:Code: | G#| A | A#| B | | E | F | F#| G | | C | C#| D | D#| | G#| A | A#| B | | E | F | F#| G | | C | C#| D | D#|
So you could put an inlay mark across every 4th fret, and those marks would have the same trio of notes everywhere. The unfortunate thing is that they are not very well-related harmonically, neither are minor 3rds. So "real world" harmony doesn't fit the pattern nearly as well as the geometric division of the octave does... To each his own. It costs you very little to experiment, and you may find something you really like. If you want to play melody 4ths and inverted 5ths, there are a lot of people who can help you get the most out of it. ...you just forgot the seconds: mayor | a | | b | c | | g | | | | | f | | | | | | e | | | | | d | | | | | c | | | and minor | | | | | a | | b | c | | | | | g | | | | | | | | f | | | | | | | | | e | | | | | | | d | | | | | | c | | | | | | ...hope it helps....
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