mad_monk wrote:
....I spent several thousand hours learning Bach and Satie in fifths..
...counting hours is really a endeavor for itself, you will loose this for your practice time...
...focus on the subject with no distractions is better to prevent the waste of time...
...all, at least the most of us has their hours of experience, well, their results and conclusions will be as individual as the single persons are theirselves...
...in fact, personal experience, history, age and so on can't be criterion, only the subject-matters are counting here, sorry...
mad_monk wrote:
...I’m here to warn people not to make the same mistake...
...noble, indeed, to warn...but to help the people would be better, much better...
...several thousand hours, yes indeed thats a warning, a written list of your studied oeuvres of Bach and Satie, would be a help, just what's called a repertory, thanks and looking forward to...
...anyway I'm very happy to notice you posting after your long pause, thank you very much once again...
...and like mcgrahamhk wrote: "What in particular did you find about the split tunings that made reading tricky?" , it only remains to second that...
mad_monk wrote:
...if they want to study piano-type harmonies and textures...
...study or sight reading? that's the question here...
...well, study is always possible, maybe better known all over the world as transcripion...
...transcription is a science on its own, from note to note copying to grasp the token gesture of a piece, all can arise, depending on the tendencies, likings of the transcriptor, severity of the piece...
...compare some piano works of Isaac Albeniz, they became even more famous as transcriptions for classical guitar as the originals, if this implies the transcriptions were better than the originals is another question and post, of course...
...sight reading is rather different, here the player looks at the new and never before seen score, moves his fingers, or hands if you like so, and we all can hear now the music that is written in the score, like a sequencer software does it, often better then most of us humans...
...to do this you must be a box checker (free after Brett Bottomley) but a proper one, you will need a big library of music scores, and you are reading from the scores like a box checker, but at the most for three times, then check out the next box...
...maybe you will learn something about music, maybe not and never...
...and please, spare us the videos from this activities, it's just boring...sorry, I'm just plain and honest...
mad_monk wrote:
...But putting fifths and fourths in different hands does make reading considerably more difficult...
...why this???, it's only what a mediocre drummer does every day...
...not only with his hands, his legs are sharing the party....
mad_monk wrote:
...Balt-a-sar, if you want to become a good reader with fifths in the bass, good luck to you....
...sorry what means become???...what means if you want???...
...after all, thank you for your wishes at the end of your clause, there are so many things in life which needs good luck, a lot of luck indeed...
mad_monk wrote:
...Every interval has a different shape for each hand on the Stick in standard tuning. In fact there are two shapes for each hand, because you can choose to move either up or down the neck when playing the second note of the interval. So a minor third has the two shapes on the melody side, and two different ones on the fifths side. Different shapes and different fingerings for the same sound...
...and now?...just learn them!...
...violinists have four basic shapes to learn, they just do it, worldwide, no problem at all...
mad_monk wrote:
...Furthermore, the bass side can only sound harmonic minor thirds with difficulty, and seconds are out, unless you use the thumb. This cuts the available repertoire by 90% or so, including the Bach chorales that are so important for studying harmony...
...look at clusters, every child, no, every cat can play them on the piano only by lying on the keys...
...try playing tenth on piano, no, no, no, not with the pedal, only the two notes together, any questions...
...yes, clusters are very hard to play in fifth tuning, but using fourth tuning does'nt change here really much...
...look at the literature of the different instruments and you find a lot of specific textures caused by the used instrument, easy playing things (not necessarily musically easy!) are always in the language of the music, seconds and thirds on the piano, tenths on the stick, because they are easy to perform...
...Bach chorales are a good example, thank you, but IMHO even here we have only a different assignment of the voices on the instrument to do, just play soprano and tenor on the right and alto and bass on left side, voila...there exists no rule to do it pianowise, means sop/alto on the right and ten/bass on the left even the score shows this assignment of the voices...
...and don't forget your thumbs, piano players use them every day
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...I'm to the core persuaded and assured of the idea of free hands, but what a shift for the stick and the tapping idea would be the combination with a free spirit...
important notice: this post refers exclusively to the discused item and matter. There is not the slightest intention to insult or attack any person, but analysis of objects are often hard and unrelenting...personally I'm estimating Mad Monks posts a lot, they are helpful and inspiring...
...thank you for beeing here again...