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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
Like I said, everyone who posted in this thread gets to own a piece of the nastiness that it's become. I honestly thought it was over with last night. I am totally disappointed.

Any chance we can just let this go now, or are we going to keep piling on and heaping more nastiness into this concept? I mean, what do we need to do to feel like we have "won" so that we can focus on, you know maybe some playing?

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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
:oops: Staying on topic.... 8-)
Godsmonkey wrote:
Maybe Rob Martino and Greg Howard could do a "Freehands Friday" type event where they just have an informal discussion covering the aspects of 4ths vs 5ths tuning.

But I would LOVE a formal video demo that could be put on the SE site for new customers.

I think that's a great idea, for a Free Hands Friday session digging into it. And maybe there can be some discussions and perhaps demonstrations by other players at Interlochen this year. The classes and training is geared for the 5ths inverse bass tuning, but we also had an NS/Stick player last year tuned in bass fourths. I know I'll be watching what Scott does with his Mirrored 4ths and trying to learn. I know there are some power chords that you can grab across both sides of the Stick at once, and that's something that appeals to me. And I'll probably be lusting after a 12-string enough to finally get one. (I have a 10-string tuned mirrored fourths but I would really not mind a lower melody string and a higher bass string.) I still don't know how I'd tune my next Stick, if it's a 12-string.

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This article covers various aspects: http://www.stick.com/method/articles/mirrored4ths/

That was a very informative article. And of course this video always deserves to be reposted:



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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
Jayesskerr wrote:
...everyone who posted in this thread gets to own a piece of the nastiness that it's become...


...everyone, no kidding? nastiness? please...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...I honestly thought it was over with last night....


...a spoken word is faster than ten horses...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...I am totally disappointed....


...guess, if you're alone with this...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...Any chance we can just let this go now...


...lets look for a preacher of indulgences...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...are we going to keep piling on and heaping more nastiness...


...we?...
...who, exactly and serious?...
... mcgrahamhk ?...
... Gusset ?....
... ReyStick ?...
... The_Afro_Circus ?...
... Balt-A-Sar ?...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...into this concept?...


...concept?...?...wasn't it the question about pro and cons?...

Jayesskerr wrote:
...to feel like we have "won"...


...a discussion always results in a win-win situation, if win-loose is the answer then we have carping...



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You have only to look at the post that folows the one you quoted to see why I am disgusted.
the self-professed experts here for many years and I’m sick of it
why are you poo-pooing what we do? Seriously. And on Christmas...? Not nice.
Balt-A-Sar, there are too many errors of logic in your post to address
Or post any playing at all, I (for one) will be happy to listen/watch...
I guess I am the stupid kid who couldn't wrap his mind around the 4ths/5ths thing
Balt-A-Sar, we are looking for informed dicussion.
When I should have just asked you.
Peace.
Again, stickists, please stay off of the fourths threads with your comments unless you have something intelligent to say.
Wow! That was rude
I didn’t think it was that terrible personally.
Of course it was rude!
I get that y’all love your 5ths tuning, but can’t y’all just let those of us who tune in 4ths just have it?
Shame on you!
This is a public forum. Uninformed opinion will of course intrude.
or on the utility of knowledge you do not posess
This thread is not a poll, no opinions were solicited.
Can we not deal in facts, please?
C'mon, guys. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
Nonsense. The guy trashed what it is I’m doing here.
it's your right to be a sanctimonious asshole who can't even play the instrument he keeps trying to tell us about.
I have no patience for assholes who preach to me but won't deliver.
I am defending legitimately useful info against ignorant criticism.
I have been patient, even too patient with people who want to knock something they have made no effort to understand.
even though you pretty much called me a moron
I point out the nastiness only because it is hypocritical. My feelings are not hurt
Why should I say nothing when someone rubbishes my work?
You keep saying people are bashing your work but i don't see it.
Two guys barged onto this very thread to inform the world that there is nothing unique or special about this tuning
how is it OK for these guys to say we’re full of shit?
I think Mad Monk is confusing criticism of the message versus criticism of the messenger.
I am trying to have as conflict-free a 2019 as possible
I perceived Balt-A-Sar and ReyStick to be rude.
I have better things to do
I am totally disappointed.


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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
Dear Jayesskerr, dear paigan0

I'm very concerned about the personal contact in this threat. Seems that mad monk is the big bad one here. That's unfair, all against mad monk. The sixth post in this threat was my first post about pro and cons, after the fifth one: "Cons: Other Stickists." Well a joke, nothing more. Then my post (Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:43 pm). How can this provoke such an overreaction. How can you complain about "poo-pooing what we do?" ? I've never done this. Do you know my point of view, yes? Let's be sure and listen to my repetition: I didn't favoured any tuning, I just wrote "tapping technique stays beyond the used tuning" this is my point of view, and perhaps my crime. Sorry, I can't apologize. You asked for the pros and cons of fifths and fourths, my answer was: there are no pros and cons. There was never the slightest speech, against all distressed imputations, that you, mad monk or sombody else using fourths were fools, once again all of you are free to choose tunings, free to search the ALL-IS-MUCH-EASIER-TUNING-OF -THE-BIMILLENARY, and all others are free to clap more or less enthusiastically.
About you-tube vids, poor situation for mad monk, how can he demonstrate his power of sight reading with a presence on you-tube? How purely? Where is sight reading asked, what was your last amusement in a concert with the title Mr.DocTrp's great sight reading show? I prefer concerts without sight reading, even in parts of. What are you doing with a vid from mad monk? Plain and simple spoken, in this context you didn't have any honorable use for it, like the whole thumb-up-or-down-society which can at the best distinguish between piano and forte.
I deeply commiserate mad monk. He is not arrogant, no, he is driven to the battle, seems to be a victim of the power of mortification and searches in the stick community something we can not give him.
I've never titled someone as a box checker! Just slow down, one step at a time. I've never even claimed that box checker is negative. All this happens in your brains and only there. Check out the color of your glasses, please do it, unlasting.
I'm not your enemy, I'm not an adversary for anyone, here not and not in the rest of the world, with the unboastful exclusion of politicians rustling my money from my banc account or spitting on the dignity of human beings.

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with the unboastful exclusion of politicians rustling my money from my banc account or spitting on the dignity of human beings.

Balt-A-Sar


Absolutely not taking away from the rest of your post but I just want to say that this line is pure poetry and I could not agree with you more on it.

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Dear Jayesskerr, dear paigan0

I'm very concerned about the personal contact in this threat.

Balt-a-sar, I'm not sure what exactly you're saying here and to whom exactly, although addressed directly to me and Scott, and it seems like you're addressing a variety of people and their points. And Scott asked us all to let it go, and get back to rocking, so I've let it all go.

Be excellent to each other. That's all I ask, and demand, and try to model. And preach.

And then, Rock it out. Be excellent; rock it out.

Let's carry on, wayward sons! (sorry Claire! Had to make the reference work).

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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
paigan0 wrote:
And Scott asked us all to let it go, and get back to rocking, so I've let it all go.

Be excellent to each other. That's all I ask, and demand, and try to model. And preach.

So I don’t need a lawyer...?
Your tantrum was the most childish and inappropriate performance we’ve ever had here, and it proves my point about the cliquishness and narcissism that makes this site little better than a Stick Owner’s Club. Too bad for everyone.

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Again, stickists, please stay off of the fourths threads with your comments unless you have something intelligent to say.

Mad Monk.

mad_monk wrote:

Anyway, I will not darken your door for awhile, so let’s end here, OK?

Mad Monk

Who dis? I thought you were taking your own advice?

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Post Re: Why do you use mirrored 4ths? Pros and cons...
So........

What if you tuned a grand Stick uncrossed. Bass on the melody side and the opposite.

4ths both sides. I always wanted to try this. Mirrored 4th always confused me. Obviously ergonomically you do not have the open hand reach over, but both hands would be doing (basically) what I know, just on different sides.

Thoughts???

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Brett Bottomley wrote:
So........

What if you tuned a grand Stick uncrossed. Bass on the melody side and the opposite.

4ths both sides. I always wanted to try this. Mirrored 4th always confused me. Obviously ergonomically you do not have the open hand reach over, but both hands would be doing (basically) what I know, just on different sides.

Thoughts???

Brett


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