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Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
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bassmayhem
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Joined: Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:35 am Posts: 72 Location: Sweden
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
I have a pair of really good bass cabinets, made by a very local company, just half a mile from my house. Unfortunately they (he, actually...) don't ship overseas. Anyway, the cabs are built for electric bass with emphasis on high end tone. Not the classic old school bass cabs, in other words. They are more or less studio "monitors made for live bass playing". Each cab has two 12" neodymium woofers and a 6" mid woofer that goes up to 9-10 kHz. I didn't want tweeters, since they just add harshness and string sound. The mid element makes the transition to the higher registers sooo nice. Since the cabs go very low, the efficiency (theoretical) isn't that good, but they produce so much low end I can cut up to 6 dB of bass on my amp compared to my old Eden D410XST. That means saving amp power... Anyway, here is a link to the site: http://www.tks.seThe company is Swedish, but has started to ship to the European mainland and the UK. My cab is the 2126 model, actually the one shown in the web page. I got two identical. TKS makes cabs in different price and size segments. Every model sounds good, but are profiled for different type of playing/playing situations. One more thing they all have in common: they are very light weight. One may think a cab without tweeter won't work with a Stick, but these cabs have highs superior to every guitar cab out there, as all good bass cabs have...
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Per Boysen
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Some of their products got the looks...
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:01 am |
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bassmayhem
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Absolutely! This is mine: I got two identical... Here is a nice collection of different custom options:
_________________ No pain - no blues! Primarily a bass player, Stick player wannabe Remember: Today, today is today. Tomorrow, today is yesterday.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:33 am |
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Luc
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
My only advice would be: don't over-think it. Ok, one more: Keep in mind that you're probably not going to live constantly in the absolute, bottom registers. If you do, everything will turn to mud and no one will be able to tell what you're playing. I find that my bass cabinet (a Carvin single 15' with a tweeter, no midrange speaker) is perfect - and it was cheap yet well-made. It's smooth, can handle a lot of juice, and responds very well to EQ changes on my amp. No problem getting midrange tone out of it whatsoever. With all respect to everyone here (and take this with a grain of salt, as I am a relative newbie to all of this stuff), don't get lost in the spec sheets - go with what sounds good. (Do yourself a favor and GO TRY THINGS OUT.) Besides, you might have a cabinet that will reproduce all the way down to 25hz, but when you're in a larger room and you have to go through the PA anyway, and the whole band is cranking, those low frequencies are going to get lost pretty quickly (the PA might not even be able to reproduce all of it), and in some rooms will only give you unwanted and uncontrollable rumble. Everyone wants low, low, low. I was a bit guilty of that when I was looking for my bass cabinet. And that's not where music lives. Hell, as a drummer, I know that - my drums aren't tuned low and fat because you can't hear the notes clearly, and my bass drum is actually tuned up a little higher than you'd think, because I want that 125hz punch to come through, and bass drum mic's are all trying to give you all this subsonic stuff now. That's all well and good, but it doesn't hit you in the chest. The other thing: among all the bass players I've played with: the ones with the best clarity, who you could hear oh so easily, didn't turn their low EQ's up, even when they had 5- and 6-string basses. I'm ranting. I'll stop now.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:57 am |
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bassmayhem
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Absolute, Luc!
I "attack" the Stick from a bass player's point of view. My tweeterless/free cabs produce enough high end to make a steel guitarist smiling of happiness, but without that shrill top and a "hole" in the midrange, as many, many woofer+tweeter combinations produce.
These days you can get a good and light amp at nearly no cost at all. Getting good cabs is still an adventure. I used to play Eden stuff, but when I compared my D112XLT's (I had four of them) with TKS cabs in the same size and style I was truly shocked; my Eden cabs sounded like midrange horns in comparison. They were alsy heavier and more expensive. When I compared my Eden D410XST, that is said to be one of the most potent bass cabs around, with my 2126 cabs, well, I threw out the baby with the bathwater. There is so much more tone and FULL range in my TKS cabs and they are also a lot lighter. (25 kg = 55 lbs for a 2x12+1x6 cab.)
I can cut bass on every amp I use with these cabs, so they save muscle power for the amp too.
My Bose system will probably be my first Stick rig, at least here at home when I scrape off the ring rust...
_________________ No pain - no blues! Primarily a bass player, Stick player wannabe Remember: Today, today is today. Tomorrow, today is yesterday.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:27 am |
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Robstafarian
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2012 12:55 pm Posts: 2486 Location: Virginia, USA
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Luc wrote: I find that my bass cabinet (a Carvin single 15' with a tweeter, no midrange speaker) is perfect - and it was cheap yet well-made. It's smooth, can handle a lot of juice, and responds very well to EQ changes on my amp. No problem getting midrange tone out of it whatsoever. If you bought the BRX15.3 that I linked you to, your bass cabinet has an 8 inch midrange driver. Luc wrote: With all respect to everyone here (and take this with a grain of salt, as I am a relative newbie to all of this stuff), don't get lost in the spec sheets - go with what sounds good. (Do yourself a favor and GO TRY THINGS OUT.) The hilarity of this is that my field notes from being lost in spec sheets is what led you to your bass cabinet. Luc wrote: Besides, you might have a cabinet that will reproduce all the way down to 25hz, but when you're in a larger room and you have to go through the PA anyway, and the whole band is cranking, those low frequencies are going to get lost pretty quickly (the PA might not even be able to reproduce all of it), and in some rooms will only give you unwanted and uncontrollable rumble. Everyone wants low, low, low. I was a bit guilty of that when I was looking for my bass cabinet. And that's not where music lives. Hell, as a drummer, I know that - my drums aren't tuned low and fat because you can't hear the notes clearly, and my bass drum is actually tuned up a little higher than you'd think, because I want that 125hz punch to come through, and bass drum mic's are all trying to give you all this subsonic stuff now. That's all well and good, but it doesn't hit you in the chest. The other thing: among all the bass players I've played with: the ones with the best clarity, who you could hear oh so easily, didn't turn their low EQ's up, even when they had 5- and 6-string basses. I'm ranting. I'll stop now. I am stuck responding to this last bit via quote because I quoted the other parts individually. Anyway, Luc is pretty much dead on here. The aspects of my approach which differ are of questionable value in a solo context and virtually no value in a band context.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:13 pm |
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Luc
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Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:59 am Posts: 2593 Location: Maine
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
You made me chuckle, Rob. Yes, I know and must acknowledge that: I got slightly mired in specs and was for a while looking for subsonic lows myself, and also that: you played a large role in my getting the Carvin cabinet, with which I continue to be thrilled. But it's a BR115-8, and the specs don't list a midrange driver (nor do I see one in my cab).
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:56 pm |
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Robstafarian
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Joined: Sun May 27, 2012 12:55 pm Posts: 2486 Location: Virginia, USA
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Luc wrote: But it's a BR115-8, and the specs don't list a midrange driver (nor do I see one in my cab). Oh yes, you are right. I forgot that I linked you to that model because it was... - Not as expensive
- Not as quiet at low frequencies
- Not as heavy
...as the BRX15.3 which I originally intended to link.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:41 pm |
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Nomad Monday
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Joined: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:16 pm Posts: 250
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Re: Amp/Cab/PA for Dual Bass Reciprocal
Luc wrote: My only advice would be: don't over-think it. Yea, I agree. I tend to be a details person, so I can get really deep into all sorts of specs. But as a relative newbie to amplification, I'm thinking of trying to find some decent used gear as a starting point and see what direction I want to go from there.
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